Cases are no longer declining due to rising waves in New England and the Midwest. While winter will bring more cases, vaccines will prevent the worst of last year's death tolls.
Vaccines haven't prevented death for all though Patrick, my concern is that many are still dying because of the vaccine, especially the athletes, I hope there is another way to deal with this societal crisis.
You are correct; the vaccines are not 100.0% effective. Thousands have died from COVID-19 while fully vaccinated. The vast majority of them were elderly and/or had co-morbidities. The best example of this was former US Secretary of State Colin Powell. He was in his 80s and also had cancer. But the evidence is clear that for every age and demographic, vaccination drastically reduces the risk of severe COVID-19 and death.
Vaccines do have complications. A handful of people have blood clots, and a few have died. But these cases are extremely rate, certainly much lower than dying of COVID-19 itself.
Your reference to athletes leads me to believe that you are specifically concerned about myocarditis. Yes, there were ~900 cases of myocarditis reported in young adults who've recently been vaccinated. But this is a drastically lower rate of myocarditis than from COVID-19 and vaccine-induced myocarditis tend to be milder than infection-induced.
Are the vaccines 100.0% effective? No. Are they 100.0% safe? No. But the evidence is clear that they are much safer than being infected with COVID-19 without any immunity.
Whose evidence though, both sides argue they have 'the evidence' but instead of healthy debate they were censored since March 2020 for having an opinion, why would they sacrifice their career for the sake of their opinion. Now we have mandates, Greece will fine 100 Euros for not having vaccine, I don't believe a word they are saving about the safety of their vaccines, live has become cheap. There is a God and there is a Judgement day.
The first evidence would be the various clinical trials for each vaccine. These trials were performed at multiple different clinics around the world in a randomized, double-blind manner. The data collected was analyzed by the pharmaceutical companies as well as independent review agencies. After submission to the various national public health agencies, each of them independently analyzed the data and found each vaccine to be both safe and effective.
After their approval, not only have the pharmaceutical companies and the agencies continued to monitor the vaccines for both safety and efficacy, but the overwhelming majority of medical and public health professional and agencies, as well as independent researchers from every field, have continued to monitor the vaccines for both safety and efficacy. The vast, vast majority of them find severe side effects to be rare, much rarer than COVID-19 itself, and each vaccine to be highly effective at preventing infection, and if still infected, massive amounts of protect from severe illness and death.
This is research ongoing to this day. For example, published in New England Journal of Medicine was "Comparative Effectiveness of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 Vaccines in U.S. Veterans," which looked at health outcomes from hundreds of thousands of US veterans who received either of this vaccines. They died from COVID-19 at significantly lower rates than unvaccinated individuals.
Now, this is just one study, but there are thousands and thousands of others. For another recent one in one of the highest quality journals, check out "Safety and immunogenicity of seven COVID-19 vaccines as a third dose following two doses of ChAdOx1 nCov-19 or BNT162b2 in the UK: a blinded, multicentre, randomised, controlled, phase 2 trial," recently published in Lancet.
Does every single study suggest the exact same thing? Absolutely not. But every medical agency, public health organization, physician, scientist, and independent researchers are all analyzing the same data, and the vast, vast majority are all concluding the vaccines are both safe and effective.
With respect, you sound like your on their payroll, their PR so you will say or believe whatever it is they can evidence in the name of science, you haven't answered why scientists who have equal or superior crudentials would give up their career for the sake of arguing that these vaccines are harmful. The vials have no info on their leaflets too, why are they hiding the contents?
Imagine you are a member of a jury on a murder trial.
The prosecutor presents a slew of evidence: dozens of witnesses, video footage of the alleged crime, fingerprint evidence on the weapon, DNA evidence, character witnesses that establish motive, and a detailed, written plan of the crime in the defendant's handwriting.
The defense attorney presents a single witness that says it wasn't the defendant and an expert fingerprint analyst that says one of the fingerprints is smudged.
How are you likely to vote on the guilt/innocence of the defendent?
_______
This is a similar situation to the vaccines. The vast majority of evidence from high-quality clinical trials, observational trials, retrospective analyses, and broad scale epidemiological data all suggest the same conclusion. That same conclusion is reached whether it is the pharmaceutical company, the vast majority of national public health agencies, medical associations, or various independent researchers from a variety of fields. All eyes are on the vaccines, and in just about any and every way they've been looked at, their safety and efficacy are withstanding the deepest scrutiny.
The contents of each vaccine are freely and publicly available. If you have a known allergy to any ingredient in a vaccine, you should avoid that one, and consult with a physician on your options.
Vaccines haven't prevented death for all though Patrick, my concern is that many are still dying because of the vaccine, especially the athletes, I hope there is another way to deal with this societal crisis.
You are correct; the vaccines are not 100.0% effective. Thousands have died from COVID-19 while fully vaccinated. The vast majority of them were elderly and/or had co-morbidities. The best example of this was former US Secretary of State Colin Powell. He was in his 80s and also had cancer. But the evidence is clear that for every age and demographic, vaccination drastically reduces the risk of severe COVID-19 and death.
Vaccines do have complications. A handful of people have blood clots, and a few have died. But these cases are extremely rate, certainly much lower than dying of COVID-19 itself.
Your reference to athletes leads me to believe that you are specifically concerned about myocarditis. Yes, there were ~900 cases of myocarditis reported in young adults who've recently been vaccinated. But this is a drastically lower rate of myocarditis than from COVID-19 and vaccine-induced myocarditis tend to be milder than infection-induced.
Are the vaccines 100.0% effective? No. Are they 100.0% safe? No. But the evidence is clear that they are much safer than being infected with COVID-19 without any immunity.
Whose evidence though, both sides argue they have 'the evidence' but instead of healthy debate they were censored since March 2020 for having an opinion, why would they sacrifice their career for the sake of their opinion. Now we have mandates, Greece will fine 100 Euros for not having vaccine, I don't believe a word they are saving about the safety of their vaccines, live has become cheap. There is a God and there is a Judgement day.
The first evidence would be the various clinical trials for each vaccine. These trials were performed at multiple different clinics around the world in a randomized, double-blind manner. The data collected was analyzed by the pharmaceutical companies as well as independent review agencies. After submission to the various national public health agencies, each of them independently analyzed the data and found each vaccine to be both safe and effective.
After their approval, not only have the pharmaceutical companies and the agencies continued to monitor the vaccines for both safety and efficacy, but the overwhelming majority of medical and public health professional and agencies, as well as independent researchers from every field, have continued to monitor the vaccines for both safety and efficacy. The vast, vast majority of them find severe side effects to be rare, much rarer than COVID-19 itself, and each vaccine to be highly effective at preventing infection, and if still infected, massive amounts of protect from severe illness and death.
This is research ongoing to this day. For example, published in New England Journal of Medicine was "Comparative Effectiveness of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 Vaccines in U.S. Veterans," which looked at health outcomes from hundreds of thousands of US veterans who received either of this vaccines. They died from COVID-19 at significantly lower rates than unvaccinated individuals.
Now, this is just one study, but there are thousands and thousands of others. For another recent one in one of the highest quality journals, check out "Safety and immunogenicity of seven COVID-19 vaccines as a third dose following two doses of ChAdOx1 nCov-19 or BNT162b2 in the UK: a blinded, multicentre, randomised, controlled, phase 2 trial," recently published in Lancet.
Does every single study suggest the exact same thing? Absolutely not. But every medical agency, public health organization, physician, scientist, and independent researchers are all analyzing the same data, and the vast, vast majority are all concluding the vaccines are both safe and effective.
With respect, you sound like your on their payroll, their PR so you will say or believe whatever it is they can evidence in the name of science, you haven't answered why scientists who have equal or superior crudentials would give up their career for the sake of arguing that these vaccines are harmful. The vials have no info on their leaflets too, why are they hiding the contents?
Imagine you are a member of a jury on a murder trial.
The prosecutor presents a slew of evidence: dozens of witnesses, video footage of the alleged crime, fingerprint evidence on the weapon, DNA evidence, character witnesses that establish motive, and a detailed, written plan of the crime in the defendant's handwriting.
The defense attorney presents a single witness that says it wasn't the defendant and an expert fingerprint analyst that says one of the fingerprints is smudged.
How are you likely to vote on the guilt/innocence of the defendent?
_______
This is a similar situation to the vaccines. The vast majority of evidence from high-quality clinical trials, observational trials, retrospective analyses, and broad scale epidemiological data all suggest the same conclusion. That same conclusion is reached whether it is the pharmaceutical company, the vast majority of national public health agencies, medical associations, or various independent researchers from a variety of fields. All eyes are on the vaccines, and in just about any and every way they've been looked at, their safety and efficacy are withstanding the deepest scrutiny.
The contents of each vaccine are freely and publicly available. If you have a known allergy to any ingredient in a vaccine, you should avoid that one, and consult with a physician on your options.